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ange1 · Apr 09, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

i agree, you should get the skill regardless, it's a designe flaw

sabretalon · Apr 10, 2006, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Let me get this straight!

You went to a quest giver as say Me/R and got the ranger quest? Then, when you came back to the quest giver you have changed from Me/R to Me/W?

If so then how would the quest giver know that you had used your Ranger skills etc.. to complete the quest?

It sounds simple to me, change your secondary first, see the quest giver, complete the quest and get the skills? Not, change secondary, see quest giver, change secondary, complete the quest and then expect to get skills for a character that was not using the right secondary for the right skill set!

Or am I being simple here?

Coolniceronguy · Apr 12, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by sabretalon

Let me get this straight!

You went to a quest giver as say Me/R and got the ranger quest? Then, when you came back to the quest giver you have changed from Me/R to Me/W?

If so then how would the quest giver know that you had used your Ranger skills etc.. to complete the quest?

It sounds simple to me, change your secondary first, see the quest giver, complete the quest and get the skills? Not, change secondary, see quest giver, change secondary, complete the quest and then expect to get skills for a character that was not using the right secondary for the right skill set!

Or am I being simple here?

Yes, you are being simple.

When given the quest, it is clearly stated that skills are granted as a reward. However, if a person is partial to changing their secondary frequently, they can be unknowingly penalized, until it is too late, for thinking outside the box.

sabretalon · Apr 12, 2006, 09:25 AM // 09:25

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Originally Posted by Coolniceronguy

Yes, you are being simple.

When given the quest, it is clearly stated that skills are granted as a reward. However, if a person is partial to changing their secondary frequently, they can be unknowingly penalized, until it is too late, for thinking outside the box.

I don't think it is me being simple here?

You go and change your secondary then you get a quest for that secondary but then you change your secondary again! Therefore you should not have access to the previous secondary sub quests! Why would a ranger give a warrior, ranger skills?

Frankenstein_Drag_Queen · Apr 12, 2006, 01:11 PM // 13:11

when you switch your secondary proffesion, whatever skills you have unlocked before (from previous characters or from pvp) are available to you as soon as you have changed your second proffesion. I think anyway...

Badger2 · Apr 12, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

If you go to a ranger skill quest giver as say...a mes/war as opposed to mes/r, why would you expect to get ranger skills? After all, you aren't equiped with anything ranger.

frickett · Apr 12, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

You can only get skills for a profession that you are using at the moment. That is simple.

Coolniceronguy · Apr 12, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by Frankenstein_Drag_Queen

when you switch your secondary proffesion, whatever skills you have unlocked before (from previous characters or from pvp) are available to you as soon as you have changed your second proffesion. I think anyway...

One does not. Hence my surprise after completing the quests, changing my secondary, and noticing that I did not receive the skills.

To further clarrify, this design flaw(in my opinion), occurs on any of the skill quests. I was simply using the mesmer/ranger ----> mesmer/warrior switch as an example.

Asrial · Apr 12, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

I can't believe you're still harping on this issue.

Listen, mechanically, it's most likely because you're given the ability to use the skill as you get it as a reward.

Do you think the game designers intended a M/W to have R skills at any given point in time?

Were you thinking outside the box? Who cares. We'll say yes.

Is your way the true correct way it should be done? No.

Is my way the true correct way it should be done? No.

Is it going to be changed? No.

Is it worth banging your head into a wall? No.

Coolniceronguy · Apr 13, 2006, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by Asrial

I can't believe you're still harping on this issue.

Listen, mechanically, it's most likely because you're given the ability to use the skill as you get it as a reward.

Do you think the game designers intended a M/W to have R skills at any given point in time?

Were you thinking outside the box? Who cares. We'll say yes.

Is your way the true correct way it should be done? No.

Is my way the true correct way it should be done? No.

Is it going to be changed? No.

Is it worth banging your head into a wall? No.

Blah, blah, blah.

Spoken like a true person who has not excersized their rights to change their secondary as they see fit.

Freedom.

Please do what I did, then come back at me with the same deameanor.

Heart.

This is the important word. After completing early skill quests as I have done, then tell me how you feel.

Asrial · Apr 13, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Okay, here's EXACTLY how "I" would feel if I did it your way: "Damn, why didn't I get my skills as a reward? Well, aren't I the dumbass for switching before getting the reward. Damnit. What a pain."

Sorry for being so blunt, but.. you're just bemoaning the fact that you and the other 1% that have done it this way, are being inconvenianced. I for one would HATE to see the developers put time into fixing THIS when there are so many other things that give you the freedom and heart you want.

..but then, maybe the difference between you and I is that you put too MUCH heart into this game *shrugs*.

If you're looking for everyone to go "ZOMG, I completely agree with you! Let's start a petition and circle jerk all night!".....

Beat_Go_Stick · Apr 13, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Wait...so correct me if I'm wrong here but it seems to me that the only reason he didn't get his skills is because he went to a Ranger specific NPC, got a Ranger quest, completed it as a Warrior, and then didn't switch back before talking to the NPC again, correct?

If he had talked to an NPC that had a Mesmer skill and a secondary skill as the reward, he went and got the quest as a Me/R, changed to Me/W, completed the quest, and gone back to the NPC, he would have gotten the Mesmer skill AND the Warrior skill, correct?

I ask because I have a clean lvl 20 R/Me who I will change to Rt once Factions comes out and then go back to farm the Rt skills quickly. I want to make sure that will still work

It makes sense to me. If a Necro gives you a quest to teach you Necro skills and you come back but have given up being a Necro, how could he teach you anything? You can no longer learn it because it's impossible for you to have the skill.

nova-exarch · May 16, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

Let me see if I have everything correct...

My example:

A Warrior/Ranger begins quest X where the reward is a Ranger skill.

The W/R then switches to Warrior/Monk.

The W/M then finishes quest X, goes to collect the PROMISED reward and gets NOTHING?

Yeah, that's wrong. The reward was promised. It should be given regardless.

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Thanks for the heads up on the messed up system.

Lucky me, I usually go for skill quests and finish them ASAP.

They're my little mini-level/reward system/short term goals so I never let them go unfinished for long. I guess that's a good thing given that I am now thinking about switching secondaries.

Coolniceronguy · May 16, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by nova-exarch

Let me see if I have everything correct...

My example:

A Warrior/Ranger begins quest X where the reward is a Ranger skill.

The W/R then switches to Warrior/Monk.

The W/M then finishes quest X, goes to collect the PROMISED reward and gets NOTHING?

Yeah, that's wrong. The reward was promised. It should be given regardless.

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Correct. This will also happen on any of the profession-specific skills quest, not just the Ranger one. It was just one example.